Is it time to rethink California's (America's) Marijuana Policy? (symptoms of Prop. 13)

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Being a moderate is good. As I see it there are two extreme reactions to any human activity: requiring people to perform it; and forbidding people from performing it. The moderate response is to do neither of these. Very few activities deserve these extreme reactions. Some do, of course, such as murder or kidnapping, but not growing or consuming selectively grown hemp.
Your are fast (your response). The "moderate" position is the power to chose and not to condemn those who chose differently than you. Pot is not a good social option; but the CA deficit and the money pit of drug (marijuana) enforcement is even worse. Legalize it...and be done with it.
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Random thoughts....

Perhaps the movement against Marijuana is actually a movement against those might want to take their senses into their own hands. The PTB might see the pervasiveness of marijuana 'abuse' as a challenge against authority, and not really an anti-social hazard in itself. Perhaps the former is the reason why it is frowned upon.

But then again, while alcoholism could be detected by, say the smell of one's breath, marijuana would not be as obvious till the consequences are done.

Perhaps marijuana-induced 'tardiness, absences, etc', according to the studies you mentioned may have preexisting-cum-exacerbating causes such as the class location of the person. If so, getting rid of the class system might be a good start toward legalising this particular drug.

Perhaps, compared to alcohol, marijuana promotes too much of a 'sense of self'. Whilst booze might help one lighten up after a burdensome week under the boot of a boss, marijuana might incite another identity altogether....and we can't have that can we.


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Yes the PTB may see it as a challenge against authority. But that is the surface issue. For urban cities such as Oakland, CA and Los Angeles (for example) just beneath the surface lies the real problem. How do you replace a stream of revenue (property taxes) that has been capped to preserve the status quo and has decimated the eclectic and vibrant cities aforementioned? Prop.13 is the bastard child of this debate. It (legalization) is no longer just a moral issue it's about money. The "marijuana culture" has become a cancer on the inner cities. No one will stop the "tokers" from "token'. So it's time to "Stop the Madness" and tax the growers, distributors an users to save California (and maybe America) just like alcohol provides billions in taxes and millions of jobs.
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A very level headed analysis of the situation. I am of the opinion that weed is no worse than alcohol. One could argue that the same study (In one study, heavy marijuana abusers reported that the drug impaired several important measures of life achievement including physical and mental health, cognitive abilities, social life, and career status. Several studies associate workers’ marijuana smoking with increased absences, tardiness, accidents, workers’ compensation claims, and job turnover.) when applied to heavy alcohol use would show the same results.
So you're for legislation and taxation. How would you see this as curtailing the malignancy of its impact on the inner cities ByCha? With legislation, the price might very well drop - unless taxation was high. If not, it might see increasing consumption in the inner cities? Interesting discussion.

Singapore, barbarically, hangs people for possessing it - half an ounce of heroin or 17ounces for marijuana. Paradoxically killing people to protect their idea of the value of life. Sick people.

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Wow, hanging (they need to hang people for crack cocaine and heroin here). I've heard the laws are strict there (in Singapore). Good point it (marijuana) could drop in price; but the capitalist (pig) market won't let that happen. What can't be made in profit will be assessed in taxes. Usage is at an all time high (no pun intended) regulating it like alcohol will keep it at minimal usage for minors (under 21) and prevention programs provided buy the tax revenues can also help. I don't see much of a spike in usage, it's already a very common place drug in this society...if you want reefer it's easier to get in most places than cigarettes or beer.
Yes, they are strict indeed, though i would think barbaric would be more appropriate. Due to their culturally-induced apathy, the chinese do not think anything amiss when an innocent or guilty is murdered by the state as a deterrant. I'm not into the death penalty. Till we have perfected the socio-economic milieu, i would feel quite guilty about slaughtering those i might have unwittingly helped to create. The proof of the class system serving as a significant cause lies in the fact that different propensities and interests may be found in different classes.

You're right. The capitalist and aptly suffixed 'pig' would indeed find a way to use the funds accrued to fund yet another war for markets overseas and within. In Singapore, the government just lives off addiction by taxing relevant products at high prices and giving the masses nothing in return. The masses(chinese) in turn do that which they have been trained to do for 2000 years by failing to address an oppressive and greedy government and just get grossly opportunistic with each other.

Thankfully, america has enough cultural difference to spawn a people without too much of a herd mentality. I say 'without too much of a herd mentality' as any country which sees itself as the central land culturally and economically will tend to compromise its own ability to produce true pluralism. In this america is perspectival cousins of china - which, by the way, means 'central land' when the chinese characters for china is translated into english. But i digress.

I would like to see how this issue which you are now facing is resolved. The arguments for and against legislation would be most interesting as people here only tend to argue about which noodle dish is better in which locality;) Hope you'll keep us updated with developments ByCha.


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Is Tom Amiano smoking?

Very informative...how does this plan help our schools? and once it is legalized what will stop people from growing their own. It not like cigarettes. Is It? I can't help but wonder about the social and health implications. You mentioned that marijuana use already causes problems in society why not just legalize it. Do you think that legalizing a highly addictive, mind altering substance will create even more marijuana users and compound issues? What about all of the medical claims and rehab stays and SSI/Disability payments that we already pay for because of the illegal substance?

Will legalizing this drug will cause even more bills to eat at our new found profits or will those bills will be paid from another budget.

Hey, I do not know this may work. Maybe the government can add something to marijuana to make it more desirable like the cigarette companies do, put a filter on it and tax the hell out of it...just like cigarettes, then we will have a nation of legal drug addicts. And maybe the government can come up with another bill that gives money to social service agencies to educate peole about the dangers of pot abuse, thereby creating new jobs, and with less people able to pass a drug test these jobs will go to those who really need them.

This idea is probably not a slippery slope; this could be a win win...

Apologies for bumping a potentially dead thread, but I have thought about tax and regulation of cannabis as well. I think on it primarily because it may allow hemp to be a viable crop again. I had the opportunity years ago to examine hemp paper. Marvelous stuff. Since the fibers are longer than those in wood pulp, it is stronger, easier to tear, and ultimately can be recycled more times than paper made of such pulp. It's also naturally white without the use of toxic dioxins used for bleaching. Cannabis plants used for hemp products have the bud bred out of them, so they cannot be smoked to get high, and they are much more sustainable to farm than trees planted for similar use.

Now I know the question has been raised upon whether or not we can afford another legal drug (again, as it was legal once upon a time), that is, is it worth the cost to society in addiction and detriment to health? Yet if it were regulated like alcohol, I think curbing its potency would well be a possibility, just as alcohol content presently is controlled. I understand also that there is a debate on whether or not it is a gateway drug to harder substances, but I think for the most part it would be better to distinguish it from such. We'd also likely be wasting a lot less time prosecuting addicts, especially under three-strikes laws that often wind up imposing punishments that really do not fit the crime.
Excellent suggestion "regulated like alcohol...curbing its potency"a very common sense approach to the question. I don't condone any drug use but is a choice. We are afforded certain liberties one of which is the right to choose (even God gives us that right).

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